Cannon Andrew White- Towards a One World Church

Canon Andew WhiteIt may surprise many of you that in 2001, the United Nations granted the Knights Templar special consultative status on peace talks in the Middle East. You may ask yourself, as I did, why a secretive order such as the Knights Templar would have been given such an exalted status on such a volatile peace initiative. In looking for the answer to this I made some interesting discoveries; discoveries which ultimately lead to a man named Canon Andrew White.
The Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem (Knights Templar) is a “Christian” chivalric society whose rituals are shrouded in secrecy and steeped in mysticism. The order is deeply ecumenical.

Ecumenism refers to a worldwide religious unity through shared spirituality across the three Abrahamic faiths of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. The target of their ecumenical thrust is of course the Middle East, the seed bed and birth place of the three Abrahamic religions.

Alarmingly, in 2001, the United Nations granted the Knights Templar special consultative status on peace talks in the Middle East. Obviously, they are not the only ones with their eyes on the Middle East. Indeed, it is foremost in the minds of the international community and not for reasons of peace.

Why the international obsession with bringing peace to the Middle East? A growing partnership between government and religion is preparing the world for a soon coming political/religious leader. The Antichrist will unite the world with the promise of peace and through this newly attained and short-lived peace, shall destroy many (Daniel 8:25). For this elusive promise of peace, men will rally for the unification of all major religions under the New World Order.

Of course, no one has done more for the promise of peace in the Middle East than Canon Andrew White. If you have not heard of him, you will. His dedication to the pursuit of peace and the unity of the Abrahamic faiths in the Middle East is well documented and internationally recognized. Brought up in the Assemblies of God, White became an Anglican while training as an operating department practitioner at St. Thomas’ Hospital in London. White’s first visit to Iraq was in 1998 at the invitation of Saddam Hussein’s deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz. This and subsequent visits provided the opportunity to build relationships with many of the Religious and Political leaders of Iraq.
If you doubt that this man is a world heavyweight, look at the list of honours and titles bestowed upon him by the international community.

  • Awarded the International Sternberg Prize
  • Awarded the Prize for Sustained Intellectual Contribution to Jewish Christian Relations by The International Council of Christians and Jews (ICCJ)
  • Awarded the Prize for Inter-Faith Relations (2003) by The Three Faith’s Forum Awarded the Tanenbaum Peacemaker in Action Prize (2005)
  • Has met with the pope, prime ministers and presidents including the President of the United States.
  • Founding President of the Foundation of Relief and Reconciliation in the Middle East(FRRME)
  • Director of the Religious Sectarian project for the US Department of Defence
  • Anglican Chaplain to Iraq and Anglican Episcopal Chaplain to the International Zone in Iraq.
  • Vicar of St. George’sChurchwhich is in the ‘Red Zone’ ofBaghdadand has over 1000 Iraqi’s in the congregation
  • International Advisor for the Center for Conflict Relief and Reconciliation
  • Friends with Yasser Arafat
  • Member of the globalist World Economic Forum committee (which boasts members such as President Bush and Bill Gates)

However, the most interesting award, by far, was given to White by the Knights Templar. Canon Andrew White was made a Grand Commander of the Order of Merit of the Knights Templar of Jerusalem Woolf Institute Peace Prize. Quite an honor – in fact, this is the highest honor that can be bestowed on a Knights Templar. Canon Andrew White is the only person in living history to have received such an honor. This may not be surprising considering that White is aggressively furthering the Templar agenda in the Middle East. What, you may ask, is the Templar Agenda? Well let’s look at a bit of their history in that region.

The Knights Templar was formed during the time of the crusades when “Christian” armies emerged from Europe to fight the Muslim forces that controlled the Holy Land. In 1096, Jerusalem, having been purged of its hostile forces, began to receive the first European Christian pilgrims. Several years later, an order was founded to offer ongoing protection to these vulnerable travellers.

These so-called “Knights” took up headquarters in the Temple of Solomon and were extended extraordinary privileges by the Vatican. The Knights Templar wielded extraordinary power and formidable wealth for nearly a hundred years. However their power and purpose ended abruptly when they were driven out of the Holy land by the Muslim Warrior Saladin. The last Middle Eastern stronghold was conceded in 1303 in what today is modern Syria.

The Templar’s, who had embraced the occultist Kabbalah and spread its mysticism across Europe eventually, fell into disfavor with the pope who disbanded the order in 1309. It is undisputed that the Knights Templar was the forerunner and father of the Masonic order. This, according to Albert Pike, a 33rd degree Mason, and one of Free Masonry’s founding fathers. He was head of the Ancient Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, and the Grand Commander of North American Freemasonry from 1859-1891. Pike clearly stated that the ancient Knights Templar had concealed themselves under the name Masons.

“Therefore it was that the Sword and the Trowel were the insignia of the Templar’s, who subsequently, as will be seen, concealed themselves under the name of Brethren Masons. This name, Freres Macons in the French, adopted by way of secret reference to the Builders of the Second Temple, was corrupted in English into Free-Masons …”

Although much of their practices are still shrouded in secrecy, the modern-day Knights Templar are involved in charity work and historical research as they continue to carry out the work in Jerusalem where the order was founded. There is still an enormous interest and agenda in the Middle East.

Given the knights Templar history in the Middle East, and their aggressive agenda to unite the three faiths, it is not surprising to see Canon Andrew White rolling up his sleeves in the Middle East as well. What might be surprising however, is the fact that he has enlisted Mahesh Chavda and Benny Hinn! On Chavda’s website I found a video in which Andrew White addressed his congregation. It is undisputed that Canon Andrew White is a frequent conference guest of Chavda’s, All Nations Church.

What struck me with this video, was the familiarity with which White conversed with Chavda’s congregation. He insisted that Chavda was “integral” to his work in the Middle East. At the very beginning of the video, White makes a joke that he was summoned to Washington by the “people who run the world”. He explains that Senator Lieberman had called him and insisted he must come and see him. White tells the congregation that he told Lieberman he couldn’t because he has to be in Charlotte Friday afternoon (at Chavda’s church). According to White, Lieberman had wanted him to go to St. John’s, where the President [Bush] goes to Church, and preach for the president.

The following is taken word for word from the video. “So you have to get your priorities right in life and certainly one of my key priorities is coming here because this place is intrinsically linked with everything we are doing. I thank God for it and I thank God that my Jewish grandmother sent me in this direction when I didn’t want to come. And I thank God for the way this church has miraculously been involved in so much of our work. You know, I like the Archbishop of Canterbury, I was with him on Monday afternoon, but I must confess that if I ever have a major issue, its Bonne and Mahesh that I phone and I ask for some prophetic insight into what should be happening or what I should be doing”.

White’s then gives a virtual laundry list of prestigious meetings he will be attending.

“I was instructed by Pastor Mahesh that I had to tell you what I was doing in the next month……As it stands at the moment I begin the year in Belgium at the biggest meeting ever of Rabbis and Imams from around the world and I think I am the only Christian that is invited there for some reason. So, that’s Belgium at the beginning of the week [at the be beginning of January] and then, if it is up to God, I will go to Iraq and I need you to pray about that- then come back to Georgia to have a meeting with the Sunni leaders to try to persuade them to take part in the Iraqi elections, then over to Israel for the Palestinian elections. On the 9th of January following that, I am hosting the first meeting between the president of Israel and President of the Palestinian Authority, who will probably be Mahmoud Abbas, which will be on the third anniversary of the signing of what was called the Alexandria Declaration. Then I am not quite sure- then I think I am going to Cyprus to give the Presidential address or something at the Diocese of Cyprus in the Gulf. Then, I go back to Israel. Then I go to Davos, which is the World Economic Forum. All the most powerful people in the world go there, and for some reason I am invited. It’s called the C100 group and everybody from the President of your country, to Bill Gates is there and for some reason Andrew White. So, I have to go there and it snows in Davos at that time of year, so I don’t like the snow. Then from Davos, back there to Israel, then back here to Washington.” Address by Canon Andrew White to All Nations Church.

So here we have heard from Canon Andrew White’s own mouth that he considers Chavda an integral part of what he is doing in the Middle East, but why? Why on earth would Cannon Andrew White align himself with Mahesh Chavda?

So let’s jump now to a program transcript of a Benny Hinn Program in which Hinn gushes over the high-ranking Templar, Canon Andrew White and agrees to be used in his agenda in the Middle East.

Introduction, April 26, 2004]

Benny Hinn: “I want to introduce you today to a very wonderful person named Andrew White, who’s serving Jesus and loves the Lord with all his heart. He’s the Special Envoy to the Archbishop of Canterbury. He is working today in Iraq; most amazing life, truly. And what God is doing through him, in the Middle East, is remarkable. He is my dear friend and I am so glad you are here with me today, Andrew.”

Andrew White: “Great. Thank you, Pastor Benny.”

Hinn: “Now, they call you ‘Canon’ Andrew White. I think maybe our people would like to know what a Canon is finally.”

White: “There are loose cannons and there are big shots [laughter], and a Canon in the Anglican Church is somebody who has his basis, uh, a cathedral, is one of the”

Hinn: [interrupts] “Now let me ask you, what do you, what are, what are you doing right now in Iraq? Our listeners would love to know what you’re doing right now.”

White: “Well, In Iraq, I act as a liaison between the Coalition Provisional Authority and the Iraqi religious leaders. The Ayatollahs’, the Sunni Sheikhs’, the Christian leaders, the Turkmen, the Yazidis’, the Sapis’, all of the other small groups, and I’m the Senior Advisor to the Iraqi Center for Reconciliation and Peace”

Hinn: “And you’re holding services Sunday morning?”

White: “Uh, Sunday morning I chair in the chaplaincy at Saddam’s old palace, and, and I preach most Sunday mornings in the palace in Baghdad for the troops and for the diplomats. And in the afternoon I go over to our little Anglican church, which has reopened since the war, now has several hundred members and over a hundred children, and is the most exciting thing I’m involved with today.”

Hinn: “Now I want all our precious people to know, He [Canon Andrew White] is charismatic; full of the Holy Spirit [laughs]. It’s so wonderful. God has put you right in that”

White: [interrupts] “And they want you in Iraq!”

Hinn: “Tell me about that.”

White: “Well, I was, uh, I was talking to, uh, a Pastor Maher [Pastor Maher Abdul Mageed] about, uh, coming over to see you, and he said, ‘Well, we all watch Pastor Benny on satellite television, because satellite television was banned under Saddam.”

Hinn: “Yes.”

White: “And suddenly now everybody has satellite television. They all watch you, and they all want you to come to Baghdad.”

Hinn: “Will you take me there?”

White: “I will take you there, and they told me there’ll be thousands of people coming.”

Hinn: “Well is it safe to go right now?”

White: “Of course not!”

Hinn: [laughs, claps hands, and hits arms of his chair with his hands] “Okay, so when do we go?”

White: “But, but, Jesus didn’t tell us to be safe!”

Hinn: [laughs] “That’s right! Amen!”

White: “He tells us to take risks for the sake of the gospel! And if we only did what was safe we wouldn’t do anything.”

Hinn: “Don’t you love him, saints? I, you know what? When I met him in Dubai, I just, you know, it was like you and I had known each other for years.”

White: “Well, that was amazing, because you said to me, ‘Look, you must, we must meet up sooner.’ I said, ‘what chance is there of us meeting? I’m zooming around the world in one direction or in the other.’ You spoke to me on a Saturday. You said to me, ‘Where are you this week?’ I said, ‘Wednesday-Dubai; Thursday-Iman; Friday-Baghdad.”
Hinn: “Now this all started in a, with a most amazing letter I got from this man [Andrew White]. You send me a letter inviting me to be a part of the Alexandria Process. Now, our people would love to know what that is, first. But, what you said to me about that dear man. Uh, what’s his name again?”

[Note: The Alexandria Process is a process of active dialogue between religious leaders (Christian, Jewish and Muslim) in the Holy Land to try to build understanding and work towards peace]

White: “Yasser Arafat.”

Hinn: [laughs] “Besides Yasser Arafat.”

White: “Sheikh Tamimi” [Sheikh Taisir Tamimi].

Hinn: “Sheikh Tamimi. Now, who is Sheikh Tamimi?”

White: “Well, Sheikh Tamimi is the Alexandria processes–the religious Track of the Middle East peace processes–which really came about when the Israeli government came to me soon after the establishment. Uh, the second, in spite, said, ‘Look, one of the reasons why the Mid-East Process has failed is it’s too secular.’ And the Sheikh Tamimi is the leader, the Supreme, the super-judge of the Sharia Court, the Islamic courts of Palestine. And I was with him one day and he was complaining that I hadn’t mentioned him on the God Channel. So I said, ‘What you doing watching the God Channel?’ He said that, ‘We watch it everyday to watch Benny Hinn.’ I said, ‘You, the Supreme Islamic Judge, the top Islamic Cleric of Palestine, watch Benny Hinn?’ ‘Yeah. Everyday.’ And, uh, then he starts telling me what the program was like. He said, ‘Benny Hinn stretches his hands out. He prays for people and they fall down. Have you ever seen that?’ they say to me.”

[Note: two things stand out to me in this- one that they admit that the peace process has failed because it is too secular. Two, what is the Supreme Islamic Judge doing watching Benny Hinn?]

Hinn: “You know I, I’m just sitting here, even though I’ve heard this before, I’m still amazed. And really, I am.”

White: “I’ll take you to him next week.”

Hinn: “Well, we are going to Israel. I think by the time you [viewing audience] are watching these programs we’ll be there.”

White: “You will see it.”

Hinn: “Now let me ask you something. Uh, the Alexandria Process. It’s a group of religious leaders.”

White: “It’s religious leaders working with the political leaders. So, we’re working with every aspect of the Quartet. The Quartet is the international body responsible for the peace process. That’s the Americans, United Nations. European Union and, um.” [pauses and looks directly at Hinn]

[Note: so White admits that the European Union, the United Nations, the Americans and the Russians are all working hand in hand with major religious leaders to bring about world Peace.  Is this causing alarm bells in anyone?]

Hinn: “And?”

White: “The Russians.”

Hinn: “And now they want me on that, like you told me?”

[The religious leaders from Israel and Palestine want Benny Hinn to come? If Hinn were truly preaching the Jesus of the bible do you think the Jews and Arabs would be asking him to come?]

White: “The people who want your involvement are the religious leaders, themselves, from Israel and Palestine.”

Hinn: “Tell our partners what that dear man”

White: [interrupts] “The other old, the old man in Ramallah?”

Hinn: “No-no. The man you just mentioned.”
White: “Tamimi?”

Hinn: “Yeah. What did he say to you?”

White: “Well, Tamimi said, “We need Pastor Benny Hinn.” And I was sitting down with him one day around Yasser Arafat’s table, and he said to President Arafat, he said, “Raed, we need Benny Hinn.”He [Tamimi] said to me, “Arafat raised his eyebrows and said he’s one of our boys.”

[So Arafat considers Hinn – one of his boys]

Hinn: [laughs] “So now, what did, what did that man say?” Why do they want me on there?”

White: “The reason they want you is because they realize that you probably influence more Christians across the globe than anybody else. And, uh, they know that in order to bring about change, we’ve got to have the representatives of the biggest churches.”

[Ahhh.. so now it comes out- they do not want to win souls– no, they need Benny Hinn because of his “influence” and in order to bring about world peace they will have to get the representatives of the biggest churches on board]

Hinn: “Now, let me ask you something else. Do you believe there will be peace in the Middle East?”

White: “I’m not sure.”

Hinn: “So why are you there?”

White: “I’m there because God tells us to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. And if He tells us to pray for the peace of Jerusalem, surely He means we must work for it. He doesn’t tell us to pray for anything which we’re not supposed to work towards.”

[Note: I do not think that God meant we were supposed to seek peace through compromise. Neither the Jew nor the Muslim accepts Christ as Savior. Jesus said, I am the way, the Truth and the Life and NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME. So are we all supposed to hold hands, chant, and pretend we are all on equal footing with God? While peace sounds like such a worthy cause, the truth is that there can be no peace in the Middle East until Jesus himself comes back.]

Hinn: “So, what am I supposed to do if I go with you?”

White: “Though, if you come with us, what we really want is we want your people and your followers to pray.”

Hinn: “You’ve got that already.”

White: “And just pray vaguely for the peace of Jerusalem is not specifically intervening. We need people to pray; to seriously pray for the peace of Jerusalem. We need people like you to be able to be a liaison between the people there and the people here. You see, I mentioned this ‘Quartet.’ In reality, three parts of it are irrelevant. The only thing that really matters is what America thinks, and how we relate to the U.S. administration. So these are all the various areas that you–we would like you to help us with.”

[Note: Because of his vast influence they want Benny as a liaison to convince the American people to go along with the Alexandria Process]

Hinn: “Well, precious people of God, please pray for me as I go with Andrew, uh, and, that God will speak to me clearly, because I do believe with all of my heart that God almighty will answer the prayer of His people; because the Scripture says God answers prayer.”

White: “Absolutely!”

[some conversation cut]

Hinn: “Andrew, if I go to Baghdad, what can happen?”

White: “If you go to Baghdad, many, many people will come to know Jesus, and many people will be healed.”

Hinn: “Where will we hold the meetings?”

White: “There are various places. Obviously we need to find, uh, a large enough venue.”

Hinn: “Is there one?”

White: “There is one, yes, the convention center.”

Hinn: “And how about support from the government and from the” White: [interrupts] “What government? We don’t really have a government.”

Hinn: “There must be some kind of a”

White: [interrupts] “It’s, it’s very, we are at a difficult point at the moment because we have the coalition really running Iraq. “But from the 30th of June, we have to hand-over sovereignty, and then it will be easier.”

Hinn: “Right.”

White: “And then we will have a government. And already we’re working very closely with”

Hinn: [interrupts] “And can you help me with that?”

White: “Absolutely. No problem.”

[some conversation cut]

Hinn: “And how they honor you. I saw that in Dubai with this precious man. Here you were walking around by yourself; a big collar; a big cross like he’s wearing now. And you walk into this hotel. You were walking around by yourself. My brother, Henry, and I had to shake our heads and say, ‘This man is bold.’ I mean, to walk in a Muslim country wearing this big cross on him, and a collar, you know.”

White: “I think, um, in most the places where we work we have very good relationships, and people trust us, because they see God in us. And, uh, there’s far more in common, they would say, with us as Christian leaders, than with people who are not of faith.”

[some conversation cut]

Hinn: “Andrew, I’m gonna be praying for you continually from now on. And I’m asking you [viewing audience] to pray for him. I’m hearing some new things today. In fact, when we met in Dubai, you had said some of the things you said on the program today. Pray for us, as we will be in Jerusalem together. In fact, when these programs are on the air we’ll be there. And, uh, there’s something else. We’ll see what God will do. It’s an exciting day today. Exciting for sure.”

White: “Very exciting time.”

[Plea for money cut out]
While this may be a lot of information, let me break it down for you.

  • Canon Andrew White is an extremely important man, both politically and religiously.
  • Canon White is a high-ranking Knights Templar and has received their highest honor.The Knights Templar are working towards uniting the three faiths in the Middle East to usher in peace, as are the Knights of Malta, and other secret societies.
  • In order to unite the faiths they need to enlist influential Christians.
  • Mahesh Chavda is working with, or at least under-girding, Canon Andrew White in his work in the Middle East.
  • Mahesh Chavda heads the All Nations Church in North Carolina and is associated with the New Apostolic Reformation, Rick Joyner, Todd Bentley, and other hard-core Dominionists.
  • Mahesh Chavda has been knighted by the Knights of Malta
  • Cannon Andrew White has also enlisted the help of Benny Hinn
  • Benny Hinn is reported to be a Knights Templar
  • Benny Hinn has been exposed as a charlatan through several major investigations. He is also a Dominionist and holds the same beliefs structure as that of the New Apostolic Reformation.

Why is any of this important? Well it isn’t, unless you recognize it as an important piece of a very large and ancient puzzle. Ecumenism is the new Tower of Babel around which the religious world is beginning to rally. Radical ecumenism is part of the Dominionist agenda. From the foundations of the world, it has been the plan of the enemy to unite the faiths in a universalist one world government and church that will preach another gospel and another Christ.

We need to closely examine the underpinnings of this push toward Ecumenism and Dominionism in the modern church. While peace in the Middle East sounds like a worthy cause, the truth is, there can be no peace until Jesus returns and sets up his Kingdom. The “Christ” they are preparing for has nothing to do with the Jesus of the Bible. Peace should never, and can never, be accomplished through compromise.

Comments

  1. Watchmans cry says

    Very interesting, to say the least. I never heard of Canon Andrew White.. Benny Hinns involvement is quite revealing, they (Alexandria Process) have a good pick but they left out Joel Osteen.
    Keep us abreast as to any new developments. I will be keeping an eye on this.
    Thankyou
    Shalom

  2. jupeter24 says

    Well, Canon Andrew White came to Bethel Church (REdding, CA), Bill Johnson’s church – seemed quite sincere. I am facebook friends with him.

    Interesting. He is (without a doubt) a heavyweight.

      • Jay says

        I once thought Bethel Redding had something special going on… Culture of Honour and Danny Silk etc.. Now I am very cautious of anything like it.

        • says

          find Andrew strom on youtube, he has videos about the kundalini deception going on in Bethel church in Redding, CA he is charismatic himself but I have come to the conclusion that the whole Pentecostal thing is a deception. the passivity a lack of self control that is needed for the Holy Spirit to work, supposedly, is what a medium does to get possessed. One of the fruits of the Holy Spirit is self control (temperance) why would He require setting this aside to work? why would He Who is God (as is The Father and The Son) require anything in order for Him to work?

          being full of the Holy spirit in the bible is more about singing praises to God in psalms and hymns, boldness in preaching the Gospel and showing the effects of His action on your
          personality (improvement) and having wisdom.

  3. jupeter24 says

    I saw Canon Andrew wrote this on John Arnott’s FB

    “Dear Pastor John,

    Blessings from Baghdad. I do trust that all is well with you, Carol and the
    Church. I am writing to see if there would be any opportunity to speak at your
    Church between 24th June and 1st July. I have got to come over for some
    meetings with your government but I want to spend most of my time in Toronto.
    Are there any other Spirit filled churches in Toronto that I may be able to
    speak at.

    Blessings,

    Andrew”

    Wow, they are all connected!!

  4. Hannah Sealey says

    Canon Andrew White may accept money from all sorts of people and organizations for his relief work in Iraq, but no way do I believe all this stuff about him being a Mason.

  5. Norman says

    I was about to purchase a book by AW, but thought I’d better just check him out. He carries an incredible brief, and seems to have been cut out for the role by God. As an Anglican Priest, I can see that he can get away with being all things to all men, just as I in my work do, in an even-handed way, without necessarily revealing his true allegiance. Anyway, in Christ, he would do just as he is doing. So I’m OK up to that point. However, it all goes wrong when we learn that he has been duped by the deception that has so overtaken the majority of his native Church (AOG). This is very sad, and we surely hope and pray that he will be delivered, just as some of us have been. As to the Knights Templar thing, I guess he should know better, but perhaps he sees it as just another guise to further his underlying calling. Very, very interesting, and thank you for the article.

  6. Kevin says

    Mishel your continued exposition of MorningStar and other ministries associated with them is extremely important. I myself was very deeply connected but I fortunately lived 2 hours away and never felt free to actually move to Charlotte. The dangers of ministries like MorningStar, The Vineyard, IHOP and Bethel cannot be overstated. The only thing that saved me from the deception that I was under was as follows:

    My life began to fall apart. Nothing brought me any satisfaction any longer and I knew that something was wrong with me and my Christian walk. I had always been one who worshiped God and felt great power. But I was praying to God and telling Him to please make me understand what was wrong with me. I still felt great power surge through me as I worshiped. And one night in particular I was about to put on a YouTube video with Kim Walker and I couldn’t do it. I told the Lord this. I said to Him that I did not want power or to feel great power. I needed and wanted Him and Him alone. I purposed in my heart to lay all thoughts or intents of my heart toward power down. I wanted God and God alone.

    This is when He began to reveal to me that these men that I thought were of Him were in fact knowing Luciferians. I will name each of them. I have met all of them except for perhaps 2. Bob Jones, Rick Joyner, Ray Hughes, Mike Bickle, John Wimber, Bill Johnson, Steve Thompson, Robin McMillan, Bobby Conner, Paul Keith Davis, Chuck Smith, Lonnie Frisbee, Peter Wagner, Todd Bentley, Paul Cain and the list continues.

    For months I marveled that these men and many others would knowingly serve Lucifer and fearlessly mock God by claiming to be His servants. Finally the Lord persuaded me that they have no fear of Him.
    They have no wisdom to fear Him. They never had fear of Him to get any wisdom at the outset.

    I was fortunate in that my conversion was so deep and so real that I just laid down everything that I thought that I knew and picked up the King James Bible and prayed for the Lord to restore my first Love.
    I am still praying that way. I am praying that my life is pleasing to the Lord. I have always used prayer with the Blood of Jesus in my prayer life and conversation. Perhaps that is one of the reasons that many of the so called prophetic experiences others were having never happened to me. I wanted to go to Heaven and see Angels (and I have seen real angels) like people reported at MorningStar but I never did.
    Like I say I have seen angels in my youth and at other times but it wasn’t like I wanted it to be.

    When I look back at the warfare that I had to go through to come out of all of this deception, I know that God truly intervened and he delivered me in His Loving-kindness.
    What He has finally revealed to me is very simple. Rome NEVER fell. In 2015 the Jesuit Pope Francis called the cross of Christ a failure. In the first part of 2016, Pope Francis, SJ said that Jesus Christ was a sinner while on earth. If you are a devout Roman Catholic, your salvation is in question particularly by me.

    It is my studied opinion that the charismatic movement and really all of the activities of those who promote ecumenism are funded by the Vatican and directed by the Black Pope Jesuit General of the Roman Catholic Church. There are many wonderfully nice people who are born Catholic. I pray that if you are one of those, get a King James Bible and come out of this institution which is really only the great whore of Babylon.

    It is written that the way is narrow and few find it. I pray that I find the narrow path and that many of you do as well.

    • Lisa Larsen says

      Kevin:

      Don’t worry. I doubt that any of us who are Catholic really care what you think about our salvation. I only care what Jesus thinks. He is the one I’ve placed my trust in. He is the one I’ve given my soul to. He is the one I’ve crowned Lord…..not you. So you can keep your antiquated 19th century anti-Catholic prejudice to yourself. I didn’t know that any of you dinosaurs still existed. I’ve only read about folks like you and heard about folks like you from my grandparents. They told me of men with attitudes like yours who used to wear white robes and with pointy hats who burned crosses on the lawn of their church. I will surely pray for you. The Lord can change your heart.

      Lisa

  7. Lynn says

    I formerly was a huge fan of MorningStar, but doubts grew until now I dislike them to a degree that is approaching that of which I formerly liked and promoted them to others.
    The whole trance music thing is unfortunately big in some, not all Vineyard churches.
    Including Raleigh’s Catch the Fire

    SO glad to find other ‘escapees’. 🙂

    I have been seeking, not yet finding, a good group of actually Christians who
    live like in the 1st century, book of Acts, pattern, but all I find are nuts,
    if I find anything at all. The need for such a group will likely increase as the insane clown toddler POTUS drives the world closer to war; sadly backed by the likes of MorningStar cults, and those easily pre-primed by the fallen church to fall for such deceptions.

    When Joyner andhis gang started promoting the fascist Trump, whom Christianity Today very accurately described as the very Biblical definition of a fool, what little respect for the whole “Elijah List’ eroded to nothing.

    I”n an Oct. 10 editorial called “Speak Truth to Trump,” editor Andy Crouch writes the following, “He has given no evidence of humility or dependence on others, let alone on God his Maker and Judge. He wantonly celebrates strongmen and takes every opportunity to humiliate and demean the vulnerable. He shows no curiosity or capacity to learn. He is, in short, the very embodiment of what the Bible calls a fool.”

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    Thankfully I also found your good page via the YouTube posts and am very relieved to find others who seem less vulnerable to deceptive people, who would put in charge of the nation’s tresury, one who tossed a 90 year old widow on the street over the excuse of a 27cent error in payment, and who did much worse.

    One – Does you know or know of a good church that is neither led by a stupid trump supporter, nor is mostly populated by stupid trump supporters (can’t use fool, that’s too biblically dangerous for some reason). Can be nearly anywhere but prefer the midAtlantic, while prayerfully open to anywhere, while also not apt to be catfished or fall for human trafficking scams
    Bonus: ANYONE there actually hears God in the Bible way,not merely diefing their own fallen internal monologue that has zero connection to the Holy Spirit, while able to decern when their internal monologue IS actually connecting to God, not just their own imagination and delusions from places like MorningStar?

    Two – Do you know or know of a good , actual, not cult-ish, prepper commune of land and rent or rent to buy apartments or houses….like anywhere?

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